#10 - The Kindness Advantage: A New Approach to Leadership
Women's Career Mastery Podcast
Maura Wasson, Kyndryl Learning, Director Learning Consulting | Rating 5 (1) (0) |
https://www.womenscareermastery.com | Launched: Oct 11, 2023 |
lauracasale021@gmail.com | Season: 2023 Episode: 10 |
In a world where the competitive landscape of leadership often prioritizes toughness, this podcast episode invites you to explore the overlooked but essential elements of kindness and empathy. For those who perceive these qualities as signs of weakness, we present a compelling challenge.
Join us as we unravel the profound distinctions between empathy and kindness. In the realm of business, empathy is the ability to understand and share the feelings of others, a potent force for forging deeper connections and nurturing relationships built on trust and collaboration. Meanwhile, kindness involves acts of compassion, consideration, and generosity towards others.
Discover how leaders can navigate the terrain of empathy without compromising on business results. Contrary to the misconception that empathy hinders success, it is, in fact, a powerful tool that can elevate leadership effectiveness and drive positive outcomes.
Learn how empathetic leaders excel by acknowledging and understanding the emotions, perspectives, and needs of employees, customers, and stakeholders. Witness the transformation of workplace dynamics as empathetic leadership fosters trust, encourages collaboration, and instills a sense of belonging within teams, ultimately propelling businesses toward stronger, more sustainable results.
This thought-provoking episode will inspire you to challenge conventional notions of leadership, encouraging you to lead with empathy and kindness, unlocking the uncharted path to true success in the modern world of business.
Guest: Maura Wasson, https://www.linkedin.com/in/maura-wasson-15241159/
Kyndryl Learning, Director Learning Consulting
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Christine Samuel: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christine-samuel/
Laura Casale: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lcasale/
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In a world where the competitive landscape of leadership often prioritizes toughness, this podcast episode invites you to explore the overlooked but essential elements of kindness and empathy. For those who perceive these qualities as signs of weakness, we present a compelling challenge.
Join us as we unravel the profound distinctions between empathy and kindness. In the realm of business, empathy is the ability to understand and share the feelings of others, a potent force for forging deeper connections and nurturing relationships built on trust and collaboration. Meanwhile, kindness involves acts of compassion, consideration, and generosity towards others.
Discover how leaders can navigate the terrain of empathy without compromising on business results. Contrary to the misconception that empathy hinders success, it is, in fact, a powerful tool that can elevate leadership effectiveness and drive positive outcomes.
Learn how empathetic leaders excel by acknowledging and understanding the emotions, perspectives, and needs of employees, customers, and stakeholders. Witness the transformation of workplace dynamics as empathetic leadership fosters trust, encourages collaboration, and instills a sense of belonging within teams, ultimately propelling businesses toward stronger, more sustainable results.
This thought-provoking episode will inspire you to challenge conventional notions of leadership, encouraging you to lead with empathy and kindness, unlocking the uncharted path to true success in the modern world of business.
Guest: Maura Wasson, https://www.linkedin.com/in/maura-wasson-15241159/
Kyndryl Learning, Director Learning Consulting
Follow Women's Career Mastery for updates on LinkedIn: https://shorturl.at/ioLXY
For inquiries, email us at womenscareermastery@gmail.com
Christine Samuel: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christine-samuel/
Laura Casale: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lcasale/
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Our guest today is someone I've had the privilege of working with in my career, someone I've admired for a long time – her name is Maura Wasson. Welcome, Maura, and welcome, Laura. Thank you so much for asking me to join today. Our pleasure.
Let me introduce you to Maura, as I know her well, and I'd love for you to get to know her too. Maura is an accomplished human resources leader with a demonstrated history of working as a learning leader and executive in the information technology and services industry for both Fortune 500 companies and startups. She's a certified coach, facilitator, and leadership development consultant. Her passions, and this is why she's here today, include creating a safe and thriving culture for diverse global teams to work in and excel. She's a strong advocate for women, which is why we also love her as a leader. She cultivates an environment of trust, collaboration, experimentation, feedback, and learning to achieve business results. Very inspiring and great experience, and we are so lucky to have you with us today, Maura, on our podcast.
Would you like to share a little bit about yourself and why you agreed to join us?
Thank you so much, Laura. Well, the feeling of admiration is mutual. I had the pleasure of working with you while we were colleagues some years ago. When I saw this opportunity and what you and Christine are creating around enhancing women's journeys through their careers, I thought, "What a great opportunity for me to participate." So thank you so much for asking me to be here today.
Again, thank you so much, and it's really great to be working with you again on this podcast. Let's dive right into the conversation because we have a lot to talk about here.
Talk to us a bit about kindness and kindness being seen as a weakness in the workplace. How do you want to help us challenge this perception and showcase kindness as a strength?
Let me take a moment, if I may, and I think it would help to discern between empathy and kindness. These are two essential qualities for success, but there are crucial distinctions between the two.
Empathy in the business world is the ability to understand and share the feelings of others, to literally put ourselves in the other's shoes. It goes beyond being sympathetic; it recognizes and acknowledges the emotions of our colleagues, team members, clients, etc. Empathy allows us to connect at a deeper level, and that's how we develop stronger relationships of trust and collaboration.
Interestingly, kindness, on the other hand, is the act of being compassionate, considerate, and generous towards others. It's warmth and understanding, lots of acts of goodwill. But, at the end of the day, empathy is centered on understanding the emotions that someone brings to the workplace.
Empathy paves the way for effective communication, conflict resolution, and collaboration. It's really centered on understanding the perspective of others.
I appreciate what you've shared; it really helps me grasp the concept of empathy. However, why is it so challenging to demonstrate empathy, especially in the workplace, when it comes to leadership?
Laura, it can indeed be difficult when you work within a company whose culture does not support empathy. I've been fortunate to work for companies where, for the most part, cultures and managers have truly supported being empathetic leaders. However, as you mentioned, it becomes a challenge when you're in an environment that does not value or encourage us as leaders and employees to bring our best selves to work and support empathy as a core principle.
Could you perhaps share one example of someone showing empathy, either in action or something you've done? Just to illustrate how it might work.
Absolutely. In one of my previous roles, I managed a team of facilitators who had to travel all over the world, setting up and conducting classes. Sometimes, life's challenges intervene – family members get sick or pass away. I had a situation where one of my employees found out that their mother had passed away while boarding a plane. As an empathetic manager, it was clear that we couldn't expect that employee to continue their journey and facilitate a class. We rallied around as colleagues, found a substitute, and conducted the class virtually to support our team member during a critical time in their life. The class still came off very successfully, showing that when we embody empathy in the workplace, trust and kindness naturally emerge.
Let me share a few strategies if I may, Christine, on how to cultivate empathy while still protecting yourself. These are strategies I've found useful over the years as a leader.
Firstly, setting boundaries is crucial. Clearly establish boundaries and effectively communicate them. Being empathetic doesn't mean being a pushover, so we must practice assertiveness. We need to develop assertive skills to express our needs and concerns without being overly aggressive or overly accommodating.
Secondly, trust your gut. Intuition plays a significant role in business interactions. If something doesn't feel right or you sense that someone is taking advantage of your kindness, listen to your instincts. Step back, assess the situation, and proceed cautiously. Trusting your gut can help you avoid potential pitfalls and protect yourself.
Lastly, learn to say no. While it may be challenging, saying no is an essential skill. You must understand your limitations. Remember that being empathetic in business requires a strategic mindset and a willingness to protect yourself. Setting boundaries, learning when to say no, and trusting your intuition are key. I hope these strategies resonate with you.
That's really good advice, and it's something I've learned in my career. Sometimes, the thought of being empathetic sounds like weakness, but it also sort of puts a leader in a challenging position. After all, a leader is a driver, right? Sometimes, it feels like they have to go into solution mode, like, "Let me fix this." However, you don't have to fix everything for the individual, but you do need to address and fix the work situation.
For instance, the example you gave of your employee receiving bad news before boarding a plane illustrates this. You had to ensure that the class got delivered somehow, so you had to fix that situation. Still, you allowed the person to step out because they couldn't deliver at that point.
Could you talk a little bit more about this from a leader's perspective? You've seen leaders who drive and try to solve situations even for the employee, right?
Absolutely, Laura. While some may perceive empathy as a sign of weakness or even a hindrance to success, I've found in my experience that it's a very powerful tool that can enhance one's leadership effectiveness and drive positive outcomes. Let me take a step back and explain a little more about that.
To begin with, leaders must recognize that empathy does not mean compromising on business results, and I think that's very important. Empathy and business results are not mutually exclusive; they are quite complementary. It involves understanding, acknowledging the emotions, perspectives, and needs of employees, customers, and stakeholders, and building strong relationships. By doing that, it helps drive business results through team meetings, one-on-one conversations, and gathering input from employees and team members.
At the end of the day, we are trying to manage and drive a business with goals and outcomes, and these aspects go hand in hand.
Thank you for making that distinction. It's essential for individual employees to understand that, at the end of the day, the business leader has to run the business. It's not personal, but they need to give you the space you need to handle whatever situation you're going through. Having an empathetic leader who understands that is crucial.
Now, we've talked about empathy, saying no, and the fact that business is still business. Can you explain the difference between empathy and compassion? I tend to associate compassion more with kindness, while empathy is about deep understanding.
That's an excellent point, Christine. Compassion and kindness are how you respond to the behavior or need that has come to your attention, while empathy is the deep connection and understanding of what the person is going through. It's about putting yourself in their shoes. The outcome is the act of kindness or compassion that you display.
I'd like to add that sometimes, especially in the business environment, there can be a lot of fear or attachment to outcomes, such as revenue goals or client satisfaction. How do you balance being empathetic and compassionate with your team members while also managing your fear of expectations?
I believe we need to come to an understanding that people, whether in personal or professional relationships, tend to operate better within teams.
If they have a strong sense of trust, collaboration, and a feeling of belonging, those things can only be felt and nurtured from a leader who is empathetic. If you bring those qualities to the table, we will get the best out of our employees. I mean, it's not much unlike our personal relationships. When we bring our whole selves to work and lead with an understanding that the person in front of us at work is not just a one-dimensional employee working on the same team for the same company as we are—they come with all of their various experiences and backgrounds, and they want to do a great job. But sometimes, things that are going on in their life affect that.
We really want to get the best out of our employees to drive those business outcomes, and at the end of the day, of course, that's what we want to do. We need to understand the challenges that they face, and I have found in my experience, people will work harder for you, will go the extra mile, and will want to continue to support your successes as a manager and leader if you lead with an empathetic ear. That's beautiful, Maura.
And it seems from what you said, there's one thing that is very clear to me, no matter where you are, even in business, it's all about human relationships. The more we pay attention to the dynamics of human relationships and support that, people will feel all the needs that humans want—sense of belonging, achievement, and trust will be there based on that. Being empathetic as a leader is crucial.
Absolutely, and you said it well, Christine. When you foster that sense of belonging, motivation, and fulfillment and create the culture that supports that, your team members will want to support you and drive greater success for the team because they feel all those things. "I believe I belong. I matter." Those were the elements that I would espouse with my team because I know that's how you drive strong business results. It's a great example of the culture you want to have, and it's not just between the leader and the one employee; it's everybody. It's from employee to employee, team member to team member. When you create that culture, not only are your people going to be there to support you as the leader on all the things you're trying to do for the business and the results, but they'll support each other.
Right now, I'm dealing with a personal situation, and the team I'm working with is jumping in to help cover for me when I can't be there, and that means a lot. I'll definitely do the same in return for them when they need it, but the team and our results are not missing a beat because everybody else believes in and supports each other. When you're able to step back in, Laura, you will find, "Wow, I now have the motivation and the sense of wanting to pay that back or pay that forward or continue to make sure that type of culture thrives because I see what it did for me when I needed it the most." So those relationships, and you're so right, it's the one-on-one leader-employee, but it's employee to employee, employee to client, employee to shareholders—it's all those many relationships that make up a really positive workplace culture.
I want to ask one more thing: that's great if you work in that kind of environment. I think people are lucky to be able to find a place like that. But how do we deal with the culture where there's no empathy or with the manager that doesn't show kindness?
That's a very good question, Christine, because it would be naive to think that every working relationship we have or every manager we've worked for displays qualities of empathy, especially as you work across a multicultural team. I mean, some cultures just lead with empathy perhaps more loudly than others do.
So, look, it starts with yourself, right? I mean, part of the culture we create is the culture that we help start. In the very few instances in my long career in human resources where I've had a manager that perhaps wasn't as empathetic as I would have hoped, he or she would have been. I continued to bring my true self to my work environment.
Understand what's important to that individual and try to meet that person where they most need my help. It takes time; things like trust and collaboration don't necessarily happen overnight. Trust takes a long time to build and can be quickly lost, but it takes a very long time to nurture and develop. So I would start with that. Once you're able to really develop a strong relationship of trust, that culture will be a byproduct of doing that.
I like what you said about starting from yourself. I think we don't have control over how other people react or behave in teamwork, but something that comes from ourselves, and what I got from you is that even in that situation as an individual, you can be empathetic to the person that doesn't show kindness and shows also the understanding of what they need, and be able to help the other person with what they need. That's really insightful, and it's really powerful too to have that kind of thought about yourself—you're showing up no matter what with your values and your empathy because that's what you believe. It's better to do that than to react and create more, I don't want to say bad behavior, but less empathy in the workplace.
Yeah, so how can we develop more empathy and be kind and compassionate as a leader? I feel this is also related to the way we communicate. So, communication skills seem very important in order to show empathy and compassion. Could you speak more on that, please?
Whether it's been with colleagues or as a manager, as I join a new team, I take the opportunity. People will share what they're comfortable sharing, but I take the opportunity to get to know each individual on a somewhat personal level. A personal level could be my son plays college baseball, my husband likes to garden, we have a huge garden in the backyard, or whatever it is. The first thing I like to do when meeting a new individual that's going to be part of my team, a new employee, is really get to connect with that person beyond what I expect are their business results or goals or performance plan items. I really get to understand the individual, and people will share at various levels of sharing. I don't push for people to overshare; people will share what they're comfortable sharing. But in doing that, you very quickly make that connection, and that one-on-one communication, that connection, and really understanding what's important to that person really starts that cycle of kindness and empathy.
And you'll find it's quite interesting, too—people, as you share, learn more about you, and suddenly the conversations... And that's one of the things I do when I start a conference call, whether it's a staff meeting or one of my weekly one-on-ones. I always spend the first minute asking something that's not business-related to just get the conversation at ease, listen to what maybe someone did special over a weekend, or if a family member got married, or whatever it might be. But that personal connection really is the catalyst that starts the kindness and empathy cycle. I love that, making the connection, starting to build the rapport and the trust with the individuals and the team or the company. And it doesn't take a lot of time and a lot of effort, really. Even if you start each meeting with a couple of minutes of that, it goes a long way. Thank you for sharing that.
Is there anything else you think is really important for our audience to hear when it comes to this topic? Some last comments and thoughts.
As we've discussed here, it starts with each of us as individuals. It's not necessarily that we have to be in a manager or a leader role; it could be as a colleague. The empathy cycle and the ability to really create those connections and those feelings of collaboration and common goals really start with each of us as individuals. So, I ask as you think about this, this is not something, although we talk about it as an empathetic leader, it's really about each of us as individuals bringing our best self to whatever professional and personal relationships that we have.
Awesome, thank you so much. I think we could talk about this forever, and I think that we are all really striving to be stronger in our empathy skills and our relationship and communication skills. And that all goes hand in hand with leadership and even in any profession at any level. So, this was really important, and we really appreciate you being here with us. We just want to ask you a few more questions before you go, and it's our lightning round questions. Are you okay with that?
I would love that!
Okay, so there are four questions. We request that they're very concise answers, like one to three-word answers. Don't overthink; whatever comes to mind first.
The first one is: Where do you go for inspiration?
My backyard.
What is one habit you adopted that has greatly improved your career?
The ability to realize that every connection, every working relationship that I've had needs to be treated as important as the relationship I have with my manager and my day-to-day colleagues. The power of the network, especially as you transition into different parts of your career—you will be remembered for the way you treated people on your last project or your last assignment as you move forward. Your network is only as rich as the relationships you've created within that network.
Well said. What is one thing that keeps you moving forward each day and on track in this chapter of your life?
It is my family, my children, my soon-to-be first grandchild. I embrace each chapter of my life with the same excitement as I did when I first started in my career, when I first started in my married life. So, I think it's an unbelievable sense of optimism. I really look at life with such a positive lens, and I've been so very blessed.
I can feel that. I could definitely feel that from you. And one last question: What is the most valuable piece of advice you ever received?
The most valuable piece of advice that I've ever received is, "Don't let anyone else define you; only you can define who you are." And that has served me very, very well.
I love it. I love it. What a great way to end the podcast.
All right, everyone. I hope you enjoyed this conversation with Maura about not letting anyone define yourself and how it is very connected with empathy and compassion because when you know who you are, you can use empathy and be compassionate, but at the same time, also be assertive and know your boundaries and be able to say no because you know who you are. Maura, thank you so much for being here, and listeners, I hope we see you for the next episode. Bye for now.
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