Episode 23 - Recognize Your Inner Leadership to Shape Your Career Path

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In this episode, we are challenging the conventional notion of leadership. It's not just about taking the lead. Great leaders know when to follow as well. Our special guest today will share her journey navigating her career and even shifting track, fueled and guided by leading from ,within.  You'll also discover how her wilderness expeditions have shaped her distinctive leadership style, fasten your seatbelt because this episode will empower you to redefine leadership on your own terms. Without further ado, I hand it over to my co-host, Laura.

Hello, everyone. We're so glad you're here and listening in on this episode. Our guest is Tali Golan. Tali is a consultant, coach, speaker, and co-founder of the Freedom Collective. She specializes in helping women who feel like they're stuck in a career that just doesn't light them up anymore, and who know that there's more for them out there.

She helps her clients answer the big questions like who am I, what's next, and what do I truly want out of life? Her programs are all about guiding women on transformative journeys to clarify goals, conquer their fears, and develop strategies that align their careers and lives to the true essence of who they are.

She is based in Australia, and we are super excited to have her here with us as we speak the same language in supporting and empowering women in their careers. So, let's get started, Tally. We're so grateful to be speaking with you. Perhaps we could start by having you share a little bit about yourself and why you wanted to join us on the podcast.

Yeah, thank you so much for having me, Laura and Christine. It's such an honor to be here. So, a little bit about me. I was an aircraft engineer for 10 years. That's something that most people find a little bit striking. So, I did that for 10 years. I was doing all the things that I thought I should do.

And working my way up through this career, I was quite successful. And then in 2008, I had this moment where it was kind of one of those crossroad moments where I had to decide which way I was going to go and. I was on track for a promotion that would have been success. It would have been a really great salary and everyone around me would have looked at my life and gone, oh yeah, she's, she's made it.

But the only problem with that was I felt dead on the inside. Absolutely dead. If you asked me what color I liked, I wouldn't be able to tell you. I had just been so focused on doing all the things I thought I should do. So, 2008, I declined the offer to take my career to the next level. And I had done all the work I'd invested time, money, everything to get to this point, but I knew if I didn't do something different now, I probably never would.

So, I left, I went back, I studied community development and because I knew I wanted to work with people, not things that opened up so many opportunities to travel around the world, to work with different people, groups, and different demographics. It was stunning. And now I'm a transformation coach.

And as I look back on my journey, I can see some threads that come through. And two of those threads. One of them is leadership in every position that I've had. I've been in a leadership role of some sort and that always puzzled me. I didn't understand why I was always in these leadership roles. I wasn't trying to be, but it's suddenly dawned on me.

A couple of years ago, maybe I'm supposed to be a leader. Maybe I have some inherent skills here that, lend themselves to my purpose and what I'm here to do. And the other thread that ran through. My career, whether it was in engineering, whether it was in community development, whether it's in coaching, every team I've built, every person that I've worked with, I've always.

Empowered them to see their potential, to reach their potential, to bring more of themselves to the surface. And I feel like those threads and what you ladies speak about and how you empower women aligns so wonderfully. So that is why I'm so honored to speak with you and share a bit of my story.

 Thank you for sharing. And there are a few words there that really intrigues me. And I thought maybe I'm going to ask you with combining them all together. I know this is like exciting because, this is a question that we don't plan.

So, a couple of things that, really strike me that you said, in your past career, you said, I've been doing what I should be doing. And you said, I felt that insight, but also you say something about, you know, in a way, like you are a natural leader, like you lead no matter where you are.

I just like to thread those three words together and at the end of it, mostly about what do you learn as a leader and where is that come from and maybe look back even feeling that inside of looking for a path to the unknown and to where you are and finding the leadership where you can make an impact, Maybe we can start from there.

Yeah, there's so much in that. And I love it.

As I went into all of these different roles, I wasn't going in to try and be a leader. You know, that was never in my mind. And I only realized in hindsight, that thread of leadership that came through. But what I realized as I reflected on what, what was I doing, what was creating these situations and circumstances where I was just promoted into these leadership positions so quickly.

And I realized every time I went into a new team, into a new job, a new role, whatever it was, my perspective was one, what's my role. Let me do that. Well, and what's the team trying to achieve, and it was just by default, how can I make their lives easier? How can I make their job easier?

How can I contribute to that process? And so, I wasn't going in to be a leader. I was going into one, do my job well. And to help my leader, make life easier, make life better, help the project come to life. And these were things I was doing by default. And so, looking back, I'm like, oh, that is such a big piece of leadership.

And I think the most powerful leaders are people who are both leaders and followers. They know when to lead and when to follow. And I think that can be a misconception around leadership is if you're a leader, Oh, you're the person at the front. You're the one barking the orders. You're the one. There's this big like energy around leader.

And yeah, part of it is being up the front and being able to make a decision and being able to lead the people following you effectively. But I also think the most powerful leaders and the leaders that I've looked at and really admired are the ones that know when to follow. No, when this person's the expert here, or this person's really good at that, like they can be in front.

There's no ego attached to the leadership. It's an understanding that, yeah, I carry something really great. That can help us meet the objective. And these other people also carry great things. So, when they have that moment, let's put them at the front so that they can shine. So that's.

My view on leadership. And, you know, as I've gone on my journey, I know hiking has been a big part of my story of my life. When I was at school, I did the Duke of Edinburgh award. I don't know if. You're familiar with it, or if your audience is familiar, but I did the Duke of Edinburgh award,

it's all about community service, about personal development, about contributing to others. And you do these adventure expeditions. So, with my school, part of that process was, was hiking. So, at 14, I got introduced to this hiking concept and. Being in nature and hiking and having to make your way up mountains, all of these sorts of things have taught me so much about my leadership journey and my leadership style along the way.

Um, and yeah, it, it ties into that as well.

No, I'm really interested in knowing more about how did your experience in the wilderness, in nature, in your, adventure got to do with your leadership? Because you mentioned that it's kind of influenced the way you lead and things like that.

Are there any lessons that you can draw on from being in nature, hiking, guiding others and leadership?

Yeah, there are so many pieces. Uh, one little, short story I'll share and then I have a, I'll have a bigger one if you're interested. I remember being 14, being out on one of my first hikes, loving being in nature.

And we got to this one hill, and it was, it was enormous. And when you're at the bottom of the hill, you're looking up. really steep incline and you can see kind of a ridge line at the top and you're like, oh, there's light coming through. That's the top. I'm just going to make it to there. And so, you start walking and your eyes are focused on this end point and your legs start hurting and your breathing is out of control and you're in pain, absolute pain.

And this hill feels like it will never end. And this was one of my very first. Tantrums out in the wilderness, uh, was this hill that would never end because that ridge line where I could see the sun coming through that I thought was the top, I had my eyes fixed there and I was like, the pain's going to end when I get there.

We get to that point and then all of a sudden more of the mountain comes into view. We're not even, we're not even at the top yet. And that crushes your soul. And I remember just. Losing my mind and thinking, oh my gosh, just being really, really angry that I had to go through more pain because the top was that next ridge line.

And so, we keep hiking, get to the top there. It's still not the top. And so, this happened four or five times where you think you're going to get to the top. You think that's when the pain's going to end, and it doesn't. And you start to think this is never going to end. This pain is never going to end, but.

Eventually it does. Eventually you do reach the summit. You do get to enjoy the views and that tantrum process and that like, oh, crushing of the journey is such. It still teaches me today. It still teaches me today that when things feel like they're never going to end, they will, they will eventually end.

The hard things will eventually end, all hills end. So, whenever I'm in one of those moments of just absolute, like melt down an adult tantrum in some sort of process, I remind myself all hills end. And what you need to do to get your way through this is to breathe. To breathe, keep going. So that's how this process, you know, has really impacted my life and how nature has taught me.

I can't help but want you to help me connect the dots and it was a part of what the question Christine asked about when you felt dead inside, take us back there help us experience that for you. In what you've already shared so far.

So, in that moment in 2008, when I was feeling dead inside, I was at that crossroads. I couldn't even tell you what I liked. I was socially excluding myself. I was. I was a shell of a person, and I knew something had to change. And I started to realize, okay, what is important? What, what have I been putting on the shelf?

I had wanted to travel for so long, but I kept putting that on the shelf. Oh, once I get to this next milestone, once I. Do this thing. Once I get to this next part of my career, put that on the shelf because I need to do all the things I should be doing all the responsible things before I go and do something that I really want to do that would light me up.

I'd put that on the shelf, and I started to realize. I'd been doing that with a lot of things. I've been putting a lot of my deep desires on the shelf in order to do the things that everyone around me, or I was feeling the pressure that I should do. And the other piece was I started realizing I wanted to work with people, not things.

I wanted to work with people in, in a different way. And I knew that if I didn't make a change and at least try something different, that dead feeling would continue. So, my choice was. Tick the boxes that everyone expects of me, get the successful title, get the cushy paycheck and have your, your secure job and feel dead inside, absolutely dead inside, or have a go at something else.

And I knew that I had to choose to do something else and that took an awful lot of courage that took a lot of courage, a lot of self-belief, a lot of, because you have to face that fear of what if it doesn't work out. What if it doesn't work out? Is that connecting the dot a little bit better for you?

Yeah. And, what I hear from you and the dots that I felt connected that place where you felt that inside, where you realize that. You've been putting things in the shelf that you like and then making decisions to Change to listen to yourself or follow Whatever you have in your heart.

It's a self-leadership. It's a strong leadership and then I would connect it with, with all of what you're saying, because I think the leadership that you said about, leading, as a leader, you need to follow. So, it's kind of seeing the dynamic and having a self-awareness when it is to lead, when is it to follow.

At the same time, the self-awareness that you have as you lead others is actually down. Grounded in you with the stories of when you're 14 years old, going through that. Right. It's, it's, it's kind of similar to what you've been through in your career that leads you to said, you know what, I'm going to become a leader in this.

I'm going to follow this. We're going to pass this, even though there's so many challenges. So, I just felt like, you know, leadership, it's the holistic leadership. It's not a leader who just led, but a leader who, like from your examples, the leader who have very, deep self-awareness, that, leader can lead themselves and lead others at the same time also to follow.

Yeah. Yeah. I think the other big piece of that is being able to make a decision.

Yes.

Being able to make a decision is such an important quality of a leader. And we are all leaders. We are all leaders because we have to lead ourselves first.

We have to lead ourselves first. And as we follow those internal promptings, I followed that internal prompting to do something different. I went into community development. It actually opened up all of these opportunities for me to travel. I traveled around the world. I worked with different people groups.

So, following that, that little internal voice actually helped me. really ticked those boxes of the things that my soul was craving.

Yeah. I'm hearing like, there's also these moments, right? You had the moment of self-awareness like this. I'm not feeling good about this work anymore.

I'm feeling dead inside or the moment that I felt I need to do something different. Or the moment when you're, you know, faced with, you think you're at the top of the hill, but you're not. And how do you continue on? So yes, making decisions and all those moments. And I think it's really important to pay attention to those moments.

I think we all have them.

We all have them. Yeah. Yeah. So, I guess my question would be, now I'm pretty sure there are many people. Who at this moment experience that in their work, kind of lost or like trying to like what is this for or where should I be? What would be your advice for them

right now, just to get, to like one step ahead, because I'm pretty sure like making a big decision is overwhelming, but like, what is that they can do, or they can be at this moment where everything is pretty unclear? Yeah.

All good things start with rest. I would say, slow down, just pause for a minute. And it feels counter intuitive. Yeah. To rest, to slow down because we live in such a busy, busy world that really glorifies busy and doing. But it's only when we step back, take a moment to breathe, pause, that we allow the deep desires, that little internal voice that is always.

there to guide us and to, to speak through us when we listen to that, just sitting with that for a little bit, you know, and releasing the pressure. You don't have to make the final decision now. I think we can get so caught in; I've got to make the right decision. When why don't we reframe that? What if I just make a decision that is right for me right now, based on the information that I have.

And so, my piece of advice would be to slow down. If that's really hard for you, go do something fun, go do something fun for yourself. Remember what it is that brings you joy, whether it's to garden, whether it's to Go on an adventure, whether it's to, you know, book a weekend away with the girls, like do something that brings you joy and just allow yourself to be for a moment and then start taking notes of like, just what's coming up, what's coming up.

You don't have to make anything. The final decision, just allow yourself to dream a little.

I really love that. It's very interesting. It's so simple. It's so simple yet powerful, what you said, because sometimes we forget, we make it so complicated to feel joy. We think we have to, you know, it's so conditional.

We have to do something. We have to achieve this. We have to make this, we have to choose something, but joy or having fun or even rest is something very simple.

Very simple. It takes courage to do that. It does take courage and it will require yourself leadership to make the decision. I am going to do this.

And, you know, I'm someone who has been such a doer for such a long time. And so, what I found helpful was to give myself bookends. So, from this time to this time, I'm going to, I'm going to relax. I'm going to do something fun because then I had parameters to work within. It wasn't so like open ended and it's just this big unending, like will it, will it ever end?

That's a really scary to go into when you're coming from a really busy doing place. So having a bookend, whether it's a couple of hours, whether it's a weekend.

I really like the advice on, just make one decision that's right for you in that moment, not the big decision, because I think people fear making decisions because they don't want to make the wrong decision.

Yeah. That point on decision making is really powerful. And what's coming to bind is this leadership development program that I used to co facilitate in America. And it was this program where emerging leaders would come in there; they'd be in their twenties, and we would take them on a four-day hike.

Once a month over the course of a school year while they were doing other bits of training. And there's this one hike that I absolutely loved. It was my, it was my favorite to teach, and I would teach them how to hike off trail. So, for seven months we'd been hiking with a map on trail, following all of these things and we'd been practicing, okay, what does it mean to like to walk off the trail?

How do you use a compass, use landmarks, et cetera. So, we get to this particular hike where we're going to go off trail into the bush. And all we had was a map. A destination, a landmark that we were going to reach. We could see it on the map. We could see it with our eyes, and we had a compass, and we were going to set off.

And with all the training in that we've done, with my leadership, I say I lead from the back, and I learned this through hiking because I would also always hike in the last position. And that's a very difficult position to hike in mentally because everyone's ahead of you. And you can feel like you're being left behind, but I would always hike in this position because I'd been hiking since I was 14 and I had built up enough mental resilience to walk into this position and I could be loud enough to get the first people to stop.

So, leading from the back, I would , Ask the team, okay, what do we do? Where do we go with all everything that you've learned where to from here. And, you know, there's lots of guys, big egos. We have these big machetes, like big bush knives to like to cut through because there is no trail, there's no path. And so, we'd have to pick a point.

They would pick a point here. Okay, well, there's a stream here. We've got kind of a landmark. We're going to kind of use this stream to help us navigate up this mountain, try and find this ridgeline, et cetera. All right. But when you're just looking at a map and you're going into the scrub, like you can't even walk two meters without getting, smacked in the face with a branch, you don't know what's coming up.

You don't know if it's going to be a sheer cliff face and it's just going to drop off. You don't know that. And so off we head, and you know, the guys love them. Big egos feel like real men because they've got the bush knives and they're hacking their way through the, through the bush. And what's interesting about this process.

There's two really important pieces here. One is decision, that you touched on Laura, and the other is about understanding what it takes. To pioneer something, to go off trail, to lead yourself into the unknown, to lead a team into the unknown. And so, if we follow that decision trail for a minute, we're cutting our way through the bush and we get to a point and everyone stops and I'm at the back and I'm calling out, okay, what's going on guys, what, what's happened?

They're like, oh, I don't know if we can go any further. So, these guys. really confident with their big bush knives. I want to be the leader, you know, going through the bush making away, they get to a point, and they don't know if we can go forward anymore. And I'm saying, okay, well, what do you see?

What can you see ahead of you? Oh, um, well, it looks like, uh, well, um, uh, um, Like, it looks like a ravine. I don't know. Maybe we could keep going. Oh, really indecisive. And I was just asking simple questions. Okay. So, what, what can you see, can someone go up ahead and scout it out and have a look and figure out if the team can make it forward.

So, one of the really fit guys, like leaps and bounds over the rocks and, you know, kind of mountain goats, his way up to this high point to get a better look. And we call out, okay. So. What do you think? Can we go forward? Oh, I don't, I don't know. So much uncertainty. And so, what happened is I ended up making my way to where he was on his high point and looking around and we had this conversation.

I'm like, well, have a look around. Like, what do you see? He's like, well, there's a ravine. And I don't know what's on the other side of that. I said, okay, well, let's look at our map. What what's the map telling us? That is happening. It's like, oh, well, it looks like it gets really steep. If we keep going this way, insane incline.

And we're looking at our team and I'm like, okay, well, based on the fitness level of all of our teammates, you could probably make your way up there, but based on the team, could we all make it? Who's got injuries? What's happening? How fatigued are people? You know, we're a couple of days into this hike. And so, we had to talk through that whole process.

But still at the end of it, he was unwilling to make a decision because he was scared, he was going to make the wrong decision. Right? And so, in that moment, I had to, you know, be the leader that I was and just go, okay, well, look, we actually can't make it this way. We've, we've got to go back. And that is so mentally difficult when you've gone so far down a path, and you have to backtrack because either the whole team's not going to make it.

It's very unsafe. There's just. Things are just not for you in this, in moving forward any further. So, you have to go back and the decision to go back, he wasn't willing to make because of the hardship that we'd already had to push through to get that far. But because someone else made the decision he could go along with it.

Right. So, I made the decision, guys, we've got to go back. These are the reasons X, Y, Z. I know it's going to be tough, but we'll find another way. So, we backtracked. So that is the piece on decision is being so.

bound up by the fear of making the wrong decision because you know how far you've already come. But when you can break it down, take a moment, breathe, pause, have a look at the scenario. What can we see with our physical eyes? What resources around us, the map, the terrain, other landmarks, can we use to determine if we can go through?

And then having a look at your team, can the whole team make it? Because you need everyone. And so that piece on decision, I think gets a lot of people stuck. People get so scared of making the wrong decision, but if we can break it down and go, well, you know what, I'm just going to make the best decision that I can in the moment with the information that I have, it might not be the right decision, that's okay, but I'm going to make the best decision I can in the moment with the information I have.

And I think that can take a lot of pressure off people and take a lot of pressure off us. Having to feel like we have to get it right.

And there's a lot of courage there too, right?

Enormous.

Yeah.

Enormous. It's scary. But I think when we could acknowledge and go, you know what, this is really scary. And when we can say to our teams, you know, it is scary.

Like, I don't know if this is the right decision, but this is the best decision to move forward, you know, based on X, Y, Z. And so, we did backtrack on that particular hike and the other really important story or message in this is what it takes. To lead yourself, to lead a team and to go off track, to pioneer something.

So, this might be a hiking story, right? Well, we're in the wilderness, but how it relates to our everyday lives, to our business, to our careers. Sometimes there will not be a path and especially for women, right, especially for women, like there's, there's so many, glass ceilings and all of these sorts of things, which we don't have to live by.

But what that does mean is that often we'll come to these places where there is no clear path. There is no one that has gone before you. and done this. So, you're pioneering the way. And so, I hope that as I paint this picture of pioneering in the wilderness, whoever is leading themselves into new territory can take this image to help guide them.

And so, here's the rest of that story is we turn back and with pioneering, with going off trail, there is no clearly defined way to go. And so, the guys out in front, the first person. We've picked a direction with the compass. We're trying to stay on that heading. We can see the visual landmarks around us of where we want to go.

We know that there's a stream on our left-hand side. So, we need to stay on this side of the stream to make it up the mountain. So, we have these reference points. So, we're all going to have these reference points in our lives. But the person at the front, it's really hard to stay on that heading because you're going to hit.

a giant tree or a huge mass of rock that you just can't keep going straight. You have to go round and with pioneering, you're cutting away through that first person is cutting away through kind of blind. They don't know which way is exactly right. And I think we have to have a lot of. Gratitude for the person that is up the front, trying to figure out what is the way forward.

And so, the first person goes through now the second person, it's not a clear pathway yet, you know, there's, there's still so much scrub and bush in the way. So, they also have a machete. They're also cutting their way through the third person that comes along. They're still getting, you know, twigs slapped in their face.

They're trying to trot down as much of the bush as possible to make it easier for the person behind them. And you know, as you go down the line and you get to like number five, number six, number seven down the line, it is, it's an easy walk for them. The 10th person in the line, they're good. They're just following a path that's been cut out for them.

That's been clearly defined. They don't have. Much work to do at all. They've just got to walk the path. And that is such a crossover to anything that we're doing with our lives, with our careers, with our new ventures, with the side projects is when there are people that have gone ahead of us, have gratitude for that and listen to what they have learned along the way so that you don't necessarily have to pioneer that.

But if you're the person at the front. Know that you're doing a service that's going to be making the journey for the person behind you easier. If you're a lady in leadership, you're going to be making a pathway for other women to follow. And that is incredible. It's an incredibly brave and courageous position to hold.

It's a hard one. So, if you recognize that you're pioneering and there are women around you also pioneering, band together, band together and encourage each other because it's, it's honorable work. It's courageous work. It's not for the faint hearted, but you make a way where there wasn't a way before. And that's powerful.

I really love what you're saying. It's a very rich metaphor. For me, what I hear is like, actually, we do all a thing, because, the path that seems like, we follow somebody else, leadership or, the path that we set up in our career or in the path that somebody else already done is going to be a wilderness path for us because it's our first path.

To whatever we want to go. So, in a way, at the same time, we are the pioneer cutting through the path for ourselves. At the same time, we are a leader because as we cut through the path for ourselves, we open up path for others. And I want to bring up some things that you said here, for all of us, that going through our own path that haven't been done before, there’s a couple of metaphors you said, it's like the knife itself, to cut through all the branches in front of you.

And also, um, compass and also landmark. Would you describe, how do we equip ourselves to go through that part of ourselves?

Yeah. Oh, that's so good. And I love how you broke that down. That's awesome. I think what's coming to mind actually is the compass is internal.

The compass, our compass is that little internal voice. It's our higher consciousness. I believe every single one of us is here with a plan and for a purpose. So, there is something in you, there's a seed in you, and that is your compass. And it's very important to listen to it so that you can fulfill your mission.

And so that's the compass. What else is coming to mind is that scenario where the young man got to a point where he couldn't make a decision about how to move forward. We had already cut this path. And I think that the crossover for us in our lives and in our careers, in our work is that sometimes we can follow a path that we, we think we should follow.

That's what I did with my engineering career. I thought I should follow this path, but then I got to a point. Where I couldn't go any further and I had to make a decision to go back and start again. You know, I had to go back and start again and that was so painful, so hard and, and like you said, Christine, like we are all pioneering our own way and that's what pioneering our own way can look like is using that internal compass and realizing, oh, this path hasn't quite been right for me.

Maybe parts of it are right for me. Maybe parts of it are part of my personality. I look back at engineering, like, oh, there is so much in that work. That is part of my personality. 100%. But doing it consistently over a long period of time. No, no, no, that, that doesn't fully align. So, there's elements. And so, I think that's a piece that crosses over and the landmarks.

We knew where our end destination was, right? We, we could see the peak of this ridge that we wanted to get to. And we knew that once we get to the top of the ridge, there's actually going to be roads up there and then there's going to be a water tank and we could see these things on the map, which would tell us that we got there.

And so, creating that vision of where you want to get to is important. And that all starts with taking a moment to pause, taking that moment to slow down, do the things, start to remember what you love, start to remember the things that bring you joy. Start collecting some pictures, build a vision board.

Get it on your wall. I have mine on my wall. I look at it every day, it's a vision of what I'm building, and it reminds me of where I'm going. So, they're some of those crossovers that I see in terms of landmarks, compass, being able to make decisions, being able to turn back when we need to.

Like Christine said, it's such a rich metaphor. It applies to everything, personal, career, and career like we're talking about, going from one, profession to another. We're talking about maybe switching from a full-time employee at a company to an entrepreneur, this can apply to anything is what I'm hearing.

Like this, this is so powerful.

I think, yeah, I agree. And I think it can also apply to career expansion. You know, if you are that lady who is building a career, you're in a job, you're on a pathway that you want to be on, but there's another level that you want to get to. There's another level that you really feel like you're supposed to expand into.

It's the same journey for that person as well.

Yeah. And I love the, the ideas about, I think beyond what you're saying, it's about also the ownership. When we move from, I should do this, I should do that. It feels like we don't really own. And yet, you know, we have to follow what other people say the expectation, but when we start owning it, when they start seeing what is our inner compass, and then start seeing the landmark, like in our map, in our vision, in our vision, our heart, our mind, and also seeing the landmark in our environment, because we have to always be conscious.

Let's see where we are. And then that becomes a journey that is more satisfying, deeply, deeply satisfying. Not easy, not easy, but the pieces are simple, right? Internal compass. Where you want to go, how's the team doing? The team is all the parts of you. The team is your family, the team, like, how's the team doing?

But also, I think as women, we are so others focused and that is a beautiful, beautiful gift and a beautiful strength that we will continue to own as powerful women, but paying attention to how do I show up when I'm in my fullness? More of you, oh my goodness, I think we can change the world girls.

I think we can change the world if we would stand together and just stand up in the fullness of who we are and really own that in a beautiful, humble, but powerful way.

I would say, I believe we can, I don't think we can, I believe we can.

Yeah, that's so

true. So inspiring.

Yeah. And I guess last questions, where people can find you?

Yeah, well this journey is It's a journey. It's not a one and done. And so, I am a transformation coach and I help people navigate this process. So, you can find me at www.thefreedomcollective.com and I have an incredible free resource. It's free right now because I want to help as many women as I can to really Start the process, you know, just to tap in.

And it's called The Power Within. It's a seven-part video series. So, you'll find that, on my website, it's all linked in my socials, so you'll find me at I am the freedom collective.com, or I'm the Freedom Collective on socials.

Thank you for sharing that, and we'll post all the links in all of your information in the show notes.

Yeah, so people can find you for sure. Before we close though, we always like to ask our lightning round of questions. And these are questions just to get to know you a little bit more. I feel like, you know, we know you very well already, but there's always more we can get. Let's do it. These are questions that are Really short, and we're just looking for one-to-three-word answers, if possible.

I know it's really hard to do it. So, first question, where do you go for inspiration?

My higher consciousness, I would call my Christ consciousness.

What is one habit you adopted that has greatly improved your career?

Oh, starting my day with the big project, not the emails and admin.

Hmm. Good tip. What is one thing that keeps you moving forward each day?

The vision, the landmark, what I'm building, what I'm working towards. I literally have pictures on my wall. And

what is the most valuable piece of advice you ever received?

Learn to love it. Even in the hard moments, learn to love it. All hills will end, learn to love it.

And it's amazing when you reach the top, right?

Oh yeah.

So, Tali, thank you so much for being here.

Your stories are remarkable. Your work is remarkable. Uh, we. We just want more. I can't even like, I want to hear more stories. I felt like I was on the hike with you and the team. I can feel how this resonates really deeply with me and I'm confident with our listeners too and their career journeys.

So, thank you so much for being with us here today.

Thank you so much for having me.

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