158. Follow Your Calling

Rebecca Matthews is a wife, home schooling mom, carer to her 27 year old, and exploring a new business - walking the path of G-d and recovery. Rebbetzin Bat-Chen Grossman is a marriage coach for women in business. Join them LIVE to hear all about the topic of following your calling.

 Welcome to the Connected For Real podcast. I'm Rebbetzin Bat-Chen Grossman, a marriage coach for women in business. And my mission is to bring God's presence into your life, into your marriage and into your business. Let's get started. 

  And we are live!  Welcome, everyone, to the Connected For Real podcast. Today, I have Rebecca with me, and it is such a pleasure, because we worked together over a year ago. And we've stayed friends, and we've stayed updated, and I felt like this would be an amazing opportunity for you to hear what it's like, what the journey looks like, and.

Just overall following your calling and leaning into that, which is what Rebecca did a year ago, which  absolutely blows my mind every time. So we're going to start with Rebecca. Introduce yourself  and then we'll get into it. Hi everybody. I'm Rebecca. I am  a wife and mother of five. I'm a home educator.

I also care for my 27 year old son who's severely disabled along with my husband. Am  just beginning to set up a business a foot health business and I'm part of 12 step groups and I love being on the recovery journey. Yeah, that's me.  Yeah. Let's start with where you were, because I think when people really hear, maybe they see themselves in that, maybe they're hearing similar thoughts or beliefs.

What was it like before we worked together, before we even thought to to hire you? So where I was before we worked was  I was really struggling with low self esteem and I joined a 12 step group called Codependence Anonymous.  And I was dealing with a lot of needing to self care  and one of my ways to self care was I bought myself a dog and I did a lot of dog walks, which was the way I could get out of the house and just be me and be with my maker.

And part of those dog walks, I started listening to podcasts  and one of the podcasts I've listened to Rivka Malka a lot, a coach. And.  You were interviewing her, I think. And so I listened to you and that set me off on a whole journey of the calm method and everything. So yeah, low self esteem was a big thing. 

people pleasing. I had no goals.  I was just stuck in a rut. There was lots of things I was happy about, but it was just kind of a stale happy always wanted to be a wife and mother.  So, you know,  I was in the role that I wanted to be, but just, I just wasn't able to, you know,  you know, I remember  somebody saying that the worst thing to be written on somebody's gravestone was  to have, they had potential.

So I felt like  what, what, how will people remember me?  And I wanted to shine. And I think part of shining was knowing that I have to learn to make myself happy. I can't. Wait for anybody else to do that for me. So what does that look like? So part of the self care was  being coached by you as well.

So it kind of goes  12 step program,  Rivka Malka. I listened to all of the things I could and I kind of ran dry and then yours You just, there was a continual flow and I was like, wow,  I could never do, coaching for myself. No, no,  it's too much.  It's too selfish.

And then I thought, you know what,  I'm going to do it. And so, so we did it.  What made you think I want to do it, even though all the thoughts of I'm not worthy, I, I deserve it. I can't like, how will I, Use this money for myself when really I should be using the money on everyone else.  How did you deal with all those thoughts?

Like what made you go over the fence? I think that I knew that if I was in a better place  with myself, then everybody else would  benefit from that. I remember hearing somebody say once.  that if you're all in a play  and everyone's got their lines, if each actor has their lines, if one of the actors or actresses changes her lines,  everybody else has to change it too.

And  I felt like giving myself the opportunity to dream more, to reach more goals, to be happy.  Other people in my circle  could only benefit from that. So it would be a knock on effect for everybody to in the family. So  that's amazing. That's amazing.  So tell everyone where you are now and how, how  way beyond just an effect you had on your life and on everyone else's life, where I am now, geographically or emotionally.

Emotionally, but you know, you're welcome to tell people where you are geographically too. Okay. So, wow, that's a lot to answer in one question. Let me think. Where am I now? I am in a place now where able to  accept things that come my way easier. I know that my maker has a plan and if something comes my way, which is a struggle, I can go, okay, I accept this.

I also, I'm able to sit down  and ask how I feel about something,  and I'm a lot more aware of what's going on inside.  I'm not saying it's perfect, but acceptance,  learning that self care isn't selfish, it's the opposite. And, Yeah,  I do sit down regularly with the calm method,  which  you taught me, which came actually from the podcast first is when I heard loads and every time.

I listened to a podcast, which had the calm method in, I would literally do a search for any of the others that had it in and the four pillars. And so now that is like, for me and for my husband it is something that's becoming more of a habit. So  we'll do the connect to ourselves when we're sitting, having a,  you know, a chat about something particularly important or to do with feelings.

Thanks.  We will do that as a habitual thing now.  How are we feeling? Let's do a feelings check. And then it will go from there.  Sometimes to be, if we need to ask for something, we ask. And then obviously listen for the answer. Master a high level of consciousness. So yeah, where am I at now? I don't know if I've answered your question.

Where am I at now?  My picture is much broader now. And  yeah.  How's your self esteem? You said in the beginning you had very low self esteem. How is it now? How do you feel about yourself, about the things you're doing, about the direction you're going?  My self esteem is not completely healed, but it is definitely better.

And there are some examples that one particular example I can use is when a couple of weeks ago, I was finishing off my foot health professional qualification in clinic. So we were in clinic for  two weeks. And one of the lessons that we had before clinic was we all had to read out. A patient, you know, case report.

And I noticed that some of the girls looked really really embarrassed and,  you know, red, I'm looking for red patches, red patches on their necks. And you can tell they were really struggling with  reading something out. And I thought, wow, I think I probably would have felt like that in time gone by. 

But not so much now. I think definitely that was a highlighter for me that  my self esteem was becoming better. I love that you say it's not perfect. It's not healed. I don't think the goal is to fully heal it or to be perfect because we're all on journeys and we're constantly working to sharpen and  get to the next level,  the fact that you're able to be in a social situation with all those people have the confidence to speak and the confidence to say what you really think, even just sitting with your husband for a meeting and  having the courage to say.

What you really think without worrying about what he'll think about it or if it's the right thing to say or not or all the things that used to be in, you know, behind the scenes in the past.  That's a win.  It is for sure.  I'm sure there's more as well, but it's just whether they come to mind or not.

One of the things that really helped me, well, it was quite a few things, but after.  Being in your what do we call it? Your coaching sessions. You used one that's I think you used it from somebody else and it was the ATM method.  Yeah and that means. And that means. So,  I can do that quite regularly now if I'm catastrophizing about something and I'll go, hold on a minute.

And that means. Well, it means that, no, no, no, no. Yeah. And that means, and you kind of get yourself along the path and it's not long before you go, Oh, you know, it's a bit like, Oh, I'm going live on a podcast with back and that's crazy. I'll probably going to mess it all up. And that means,  so what, you know, it's not the end of the world.

 So yeah, that,  Yeah. I can't remember why, why I mentioned that, but yeah, that's, that's from kind of Mason. I love it.  It's one of my favorite things. It, it just takes away the armor of, you know, all that fear and the anxiety, like, okay, my kid is throwing a tantrum and that means I'm a bad mother.

And that means I can't get my act together. And that means that,  you know, he's going to grow up to be a monster.  No, he's not. He's just throwing a tantrum, you know?  And, and then it's like, Oh, so I am a fine mother. Like it's no judgment on me, but sometimes it's, it's just so helpful to move away from that drama in the brain.

That's really great. Can you describe for people what the private coaching with me is like and what you loved about it, what you didn't use or what you did use or how you navigated it?  Okay one thing I noticed was the weeks in between  our sessions went so fast.  And before I knew it, it was back round to  that night where we would have our meetings.

And I do feel like, when I look back, I didn't use the WhatsApp  contact enough. I could have used the WhatsApp contact much more, and I know that you would have picked up so that I would change that, but that's myself. That's not anybody else. And just, you know, it's amazing. I remember you did send voice notes telling me what you're up to and things, which is, you know, you didn't not use it at all, but you could have used it more for sure. 

And yet you still got amazing results.  I do remember the, the, what would we call them? The sessions when we were. Like doing this yeah, the private coaching sessions, both of us kind of.  We're like shaking our heads at the end going, wow, what happened there? It just was like all the little jigsaw pieces were coming in and I would say something, you would say something.

It would be why we were not expecting that it was like a private healing session  the light bulbs were just going on constantly with our conversation. Just being open to, to Miracle, really. What else did I like about it? I loved the meditations.  But there were so many of them, it was hard to choose which one. 

I loved the meditations. I quite liked  the work by Byron Katie. I don't actually remember to go back to that very often. And I think that's because it took a lot of brain power to work through, the  worksheet. But when we did, because we did it twice, didn't we?

It was really powerful. But it's not something that I remember. Whereas the calm method, I've got it really well in my brain.  Yeah, so it would be using the WhatsApp  contact more. But other than that, I wouldn't change anything. I don't think.  I do remember  those coaching hours that we had together were  magical, if that's the right word to use.

They were, they were magical. Yeah. And I would come downstairs and I would say to my husband, Oh, you'd never guess what, and he'd say, what? And I'd say, we spoke about this and we spoke about that, and it links in with this, it links in with that. And it was just, this is what I was thinking, that's what I'd dreamed about, you know. 

Yeah, it was, it was super,  yeah. I think for me watching you, when we met first, I said, what, what do you really want? And you said, I don't know, but I want to know what I want.  You were in a place where taking care of a disabled child for so many years on top of the regular life things and trying so hard to please everyone and make sure there's peace and happy.

And, you know you were drained doing a lot.  And there was this thing where it's like,  if I want to do more than I have to do more, which would be more draining and therefore I can't do it. And we were able to simplify it so much that it almost made  more sense.  To do less  and just allow God to take over. 

And then at the end we sort of lost touch for a little bit. And then when you sent me back a message,  we moved, I'm finished with my certification. I'm actually doing the thing I love. I'm opening up a business. I'm sitting there like my. My brain is blown.  Yeah. Did you do all that in such a short amount of time?

And it was all linked to that opening up the channel of letting it be easy and not having to make it so hard. Exactly.  Yeah, definitely. I do remember we, when we sat down and you said,  what were my dreams? And you asked me to write them down. And one of them was to have kind of a homestead type thing where my children could play outside a lot.

And it wasn't until All these things happened  in such a short time,  and we moved to Serbia.  When we got here, I kind of almost had to, like,  open my eyes again and blink and realize that actually without realizing it, the kind of property that we've got is a homestead. But it can happen by accident, but I know it's not by accident because I know that my maker knows what I want.

And not only that, was the thing that I wanted to do was the foot nurse thing, which actually goes back to, I'll tell you the story quickly. When I was about 10 or 11, we used to swim a lot and we all got varrucas for some reason. So in our town, we had a school of chiroprudy. And so people who wanted to have their varrucas seen to, they were guinea pigs.

So my mum used to take us all to have our varrucas seen to.  And I remember sitting in the chair saying, I want to be one of those people. I want to be that chiropodist. It's a podiatrist now. And so I went home all joyful and said, I want to be a chiropodist. And my dad said, Oh, it's a lot of academic work for a chiropodist.

Which was him saying, set yourself up for some hard work. But I heard,  you're not good enough, you can't do it. So I always had this idea that  I wanted something, but I was never good enough for it. Even though my dad didn't mean that, that's what I heard. And so it was because of me saying, what is it I want to do?

 What are my goals? What are my dreams? What would I have liked to have done? I thought, you know what, if other people can be a co operatist, why can't I? So I just got onto Google. And I thought I can do it, I can do it online and I went through a big battle of academic learning, which was something that I was never used to. 

But in the space of me joining this online foot nurse qualification, we also, the moving thing also happened at the same time.  So  I thought, Oh, how am I going to be a foot nurse in Serbia? Well, Serbians need foot nurses. So.  Here I am, we have now moved, we moved in July and now I've qualified and it's like my next thing, is taking it to the town where I am, the Borderlands for Serbian as well.

But yeah, just so that idea of not noticing that something's happening, then I open my eyes and I go, wow, look where we are and look what I've got to give and  how amazing. This is, yeah, so.  If I told you a year ago that you were going to be on a podcast talking about all the dreams coming true and you feeling so confident about what you're doing, would you believe it?

No, no.  There's a lot of things that I wouldn't be able to believe that, you know. You know, it happened in such a short time.  Yeah. Yeah. That's amazing. I'm so proud of you. But  you're part of the story, so.  I'm so grateful. I'm grateful for being part of the story. I remember when you scheduled your call and I thought, how did she find me?

You know,  you said, I've been listening to you for two years and I thought, wow,  so that's great. You know, everything.  And that was really fun because, because you were so ready and so clear, you jumped right in.  We went, it  was so great. How did you, how, how does that feel to, to have that calling so loud and so clear that you just knew you had to do it?

I think it was, it was more a case of if I don't take this now when it's being offered to me, I might regret it. I might regret it and actually also I feel that it might be a spit in the face of my maker  that if I'm offered something and I go no and I, I, I just can't do that. That would be like, Hmm, that's not very grateful and  you're not stepping out of your comfort zone.

And I think life is worth the risk. Cause at the end of the day, what, you know, it's like moving to Serbia, Serbia.  Okay. So if it doesn't work out, we can go back again, you know, no big deal. Yeah I'm kind of almost listening to myself as I'm speaking, thinking.  Wow.  You know,  life is worth living and it is so short.

Let's, let's do this. Let's make things better.  Did you believe that you'd be able to say that? I mean,  it blows my mind. It blows my mind. It blows mine too. 

That's amazing.  So for those of you listening, I am at capacity right now. We're speaking in December, but in January, I am opening doors again, and you are welcome to come and work with me privately. I only work one on one. It's a three month program. It's called Balance for God's sake, because we're balancing all the parts of ourselves and creating flow.

And it includes one on one sessions, it includes WhatsApp support, it includes sessions and trainings and meditations. What would you say to someone who's listening to this going, ooh, I think I want that, but I can't have it.  I would say to them, if you've got the idea that that might well be for you,  don't think twice.

Just do it.  Yeah, it's expensive, but it's somebody's livelihood. It's Pat Ghen's livelihood. It's what she likes to do. It's why she does what she does. Go for it. What could you lose  right? I mean the the return on investment for you I'm, just thinking the money right it was expensive because at the time you weren't working You were homeschooling  and taking care of everyone else It was probably a gigantic expense   just for you guys listening.

It's twenty five hundred dollars for three months of coaching and it's very well worth it But when you're in that situation  It's very hard to see the return on investment of  how this  short time of three months can really affect  the rest of your life. Definitely. And if you take it week by week and you work out how much it is per week, you think it's a no brainer  because it is,  it's a life changer.

It really is. And it's not always about being able to go into business. It's about that satisfaction of. You know, I, I haven't gone, you know, that gravestone idea where, oh, she had potential. I'm trying to reach those potentials now while I can, while I'm in my body. And yeah, it's definitely, it's, it's a no brainer for me.

I, I just think it's definitely,  money's not the answer.  It is an issue for some people. Thankfully, my husband was, if you think that's the right thing for you to do, go ahead you know, let's work out the money. To cut some corners here and there, and yeah,  if you were to ask him now, how do you   see Rebecca after coaching, he would say, yeah, absolutely.

You know, hands down, do it again kind of thing. Yeah.  Yeah. You know, some people think of return on investment. I put in 2, 500 and I got out, you know, selling my house and buying a homestead and going for my dreams and, but there's so many little tiny details that are behind the scenes, your relationship with your husband, your relationship  with your kids, with your disabled son, can you tell us a little bit more about that?

I think the one that probably stands out the most is the bit where I talked about when you change  the way you see things and the way you speak, everybody else has to follow. I know for me a lot of the I'm not sure if this is relatable, but one of the big things that I have learned is when there is tension between one or other people in the house that it's not me.

It's me. I am able to step back, let go  if I need to step in and say something I can't, but otherwise I stick to my own lane.  And that has been really, really helpful for me in terms of relationships. Within the family I'm not sure if I answered your question. Did I go off on a tangent?  Did I answer your question? 

No, whatever it is, is exact because God made it that way.  Yeah.  How has your relationship with your husband now that you feel more confident speaking  your opinions you know, saying the things that really matter to you, not always trying to bend over for him. Mm. Well, yeah, again, it goes back to that.

The idea, which I think was on one of your podcasts is you not to try and find your happiness, you know, my husband will make me happy. No, no, he won't. That's not what this is about. You need to create your own. You need to be happy with yourself. If you're happy with yourself, happy wife, happy home, as they say it's a lot better.

It's a lot better. There's a lot less tension.  I am a lot more laid back, less tense more honest,  more daring, more risky. Yeah, it's good. I think it's scary. I think it's scary for him, because I'm this kind of.  Sometimes you might kind of have a look  and I'll go yeah, I'm just being honest. I'm not saying it mean, I'm just saying what I mean.

Yeah, really good, really good.  That's amazing.  That's amazing. And I love that you taught your husband the call method and that you used it in your conversations, because these were hard conversations, you know, taking care  of a disabled 27 year old is not, you know, something that you sit over, you know, just like chilling about, these are big things and even just moving him and all of his things and the entire family. 

 It's amazing to me that you were able to not only learn it and keep it within yourself, but also share it in a way that was accepted in such a strong way.  Yeah. Well, it was again, one of those evenings where running down the stairs after one of the coaching sessions, I've got to teach you this method.

I've got to teach this method. Come on man. Okay. He's probably thinking, yeah, well, let's see. And. It all made total sense to him. It's like, hold on a minute. So what you're saying is we have to do this next and then we, and, and it, it was great. It worked.  It really, really works. And we did use the method quite, you know, a lot straight away. 

And now  it's still in our vocabulary. Oh yeah, there's the calm method. Let's not forget the calm method. But in those early days, it was like, you know, we were doing it every day about something and, it really does help. It really does.  I love that you said  it's it's an easy tool in your pocket cause that was my goal.

I didn't want it to be overwhelming.  One of my values is being practical and having to be here in this world, running a life, you know, Is the last thing you have is, you know, an hour to sit down and do some, you know, fancy method. The calm method really is so so powerful.  And when combined together with the coaching and with all of the other resources, it's, it's really been a real gift for me to watch it.

You know, flourishing.  Yeah, it took me a little while, but like I say,  I was listening to podcasts as well. So after I'd listened to some more of the podcasts and then we. We went through the method,  it finally, the penny dropped, and now it just comes second nature, when I hear the word, the calm method, it's like, oh yeah, yeah, we know that one.

But it definitely is a lifesaver, definitely.  That's amazing.  That's amazing.  Oh Thank you. God, what a gift you are a gift to the world. This is  Amazing.  I think that people are sitting there wondering, you know,   and you might have wondered this, too I'm sitting here listening to the podcast She's always in my ear But  there's a distance between having her in my ear and being part of her life  do you feel like I am relatable and You know, a good friend once you already got to know me, like, am I the same on both sides?

Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, like you say, there's sometimes a little  stint of time where we're not in contact, but as soon as we're back in contact, it's like, Oh yeah, we remember this is where we were. Wow. You've changed. You know definitely relatable. Definitely very um,  Um, I felt in our sessions that it was almost as much for you as it was for me. 

Do you know what I mean? It felt like there was stuff going on on both sides and we were both growing together, even though you were the one who was leading it, so to speak. Yeah, definitely.  Yeah. You know, I think that's, that's part of the fun. I, when I was working on.  When I was working on my business really early on, I heard Marie  Forleo she said  in one of her videos or something, like  I didn't follow her for a long time, but I caught a couple of things that she said that were really great and she said, you can choose if you want to be a guide on the side or a sage on a stage.

You know,  and I thought, Oh, I'm for sure a guide on the side. Like we are in this together. I am taking the hike with you and we are walking, you know,  and, it really was an intentional decision to, to be as honest, as open, as relatable, I open up  behind the scenes of my own life.

And, and I, I, I'm so happy to hear that you could see that on the other side, too. There's one thing that I do remember, and it's happened more than once. One of the things that I really, really appreciated, I think it was on the work by Byron Katie. You did the worksheet yourself on something to do with one of your kids.

And that is so relatable to me when you or whoever I'm working with gives a life story and experience. That's how I, how I learned if, if I can connect to that person   in real life, they have problems too. That really, really helps me. So yeah, very much real life, Bad Gends. Just as much a person as anybody else has troubles, has problems, and gets through them.

Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's really fun.  You know, one of the things I remind myself when I get, cause I, I, I like, I tend to be a perfectionist and I want things to be perfect and then I get annoyed that things aren't perfect and then I have to remind myself, you know why I'm not perfect so I can do this work because if I was perfect, you guys would be like, yeah, whatever.

 She thinks, you know, she thinks she's got it all down.  There's nothing worse.  for me  personally, then feel like I'm listening to a podcast where they've got it all. Nah, it doesn't work for me.  Yeah.  Yeah. Wow. This has been amazing. And you know, one of the things I, I noticed, and I think I want to really call out is you didn't have a business.

You know, most of the time I speak about marriage and business and how they relate and that intersection between your success and  when you were clear, I got a calling, I need to go after my dreams, I don't know what those are, but I gotta do something. And you knew that I was the person you wanted to work with.

It didn't matter, you know, it was all the tools and all the skills and all the things I teach were perfect. Even though you had nothing at the time. Life was the business, wasn't it? Life was the business for me.  Back then yeah, it didn't matter at all. Yeah, and and it's beautiful to watch how it led you to Be confident enough to really go after your dreams and now open up a business.

So  it's been a real confirmation for me. You know, when people say, I don't have a business, can I still join? Yes, you can join. The only time I'll say no is I'm not married. Can I join? No, I only work with married women because I really, really find that niche to be the thing that lights me up.

You know, and it doesn't matter where the marriage is at. If you're married and you Are here to work, here to make it work, then yeah, this is just amazing. It is. 

What advice can you give someone who's listening now and sort of on the fence? Don't sit on the fence. You might get  wood chippings  in your legs or your backside. Don't sit on the fence. Either do it or don't do it. Make your mind up. Just do it. Yeah. If it's right, it'll be right.  Yeah. You know,  I like to give people the heads up, you know, now it's December.

There's still time. You guys can get your act together. You're ducks in a row. You can start to figure out the money or whatever it is. But really when you start to really think about it and wonder what is possible for me, right? There isn't any promise There's no promise that you will sell your house and move to a different country or that you're gonna go and learn a new you know a new thing or whatever.

That's that's your Life and that's the possibility that became open for you and then I want people to think what's possible for me What happens when I? Let myself follow the calling and really show up for my job, my purpose in this world for God's sake, you know? And I think that's when the magic starts to happen is when you allow the question of what's possible for me. 

I think for me, the way I see it is  the way that things went in my life, the path that was, that was before me, things were happening that all led to and were stepping stones to recovery, let's say. And you were one of those stepping stones. Another chapter,  So, then that stepping stone of being with you will head me off on to another stepping stone, and it's all part of, for me, the big picture.

Yeah, definitely.  This is so beautiful.  This is so beautiful.  Oh, I love it. When we talk and suddenly I feel open and grateful and just  completely lighting up.  It's really a gift.  It is. Is there anything else you want to add? Before we end just a gratitude for your smile, your eyes,  you really light up.

I can see that this is what you absolutely love to do and just grateful for my maker that I was able to have this conversation, have the coaching, listen to your podcasts, know you, and it's all part of life's rich tapestry. So yeah, very grateful.  Thank you so much. If somebody lives in Serbia and they want to get their pedicure, where should they go? 

Well I don't actually have my business cards ready yet, but I live in the Northwest of Serbia. So I have Croatia and Hungary as very close borders.  To both countries. So  I'm in, I'm in a town, which I don't really want to mention online, but if anybody wants to get hold of me there, they can through you.

Yes, definitely. If you write me an email, I will pass it along with pleasure. We're going to link my email down at the bottom in the show notes.  Ah, thank you so much, Rebecca, for coming and for being so open and so honest and so courageous. And really,  you know, you say your self esteem is still healing and I, I'm seeing,  wow.

 If you think you still have a way to go, then really pause and celebrate how far you've come, because being able to come and speak about it and really  hold your head up high in this journey and how far you've come.  I am just taking my hat off for you. Oh,

thank you.  Thank you so much. If you are interested in coming and working with me, you can go to connected for real. com and  click on private coaching and you'll be taken to a page with all the details. You can schedule a discovery call right now. whenever you'd like, even if it's before January and we'll set up everything   behind the scenes, if it is ready for you. 

And if you want to get on my email list and get  the guide to unravel overwhelm, which is a free guide that is going to help you do exactly that unravel the overwhelm, then go to connected for real. com slash guide. And. Enjoy it. Thank you so much to Rebecca and don't forget to be connected for real.

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